SIR LAURENCE GARDNER INTERVIEW

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Sir Laurence Gardenr Interview


Infinito - Sir Laurence Gardner, the "Infinito" has the pleasure to introduce you to brazilian readers. Please, can you say to them what kind of work are you on now?
Sir Laurence - Following my books, 'Bloodline of the Holy Grail' (1996) and 'Genesis of the Grail Kings' (1999) - both now international bestsellers - I have been continuing my research and writing for this book series, especially with regard to the genealogical records in respect of the Messianic dynasty of Jesus: his ancestors and descendants.
My latest work has just been released in Britain, entitled 'Realm of the Ring Lords'.
This book brings together for the very first time in one arena the mysteries of the legendary quests for the Sacred Ring and the Holy Grail. >From Arthurian romance to the world of J. R. R. Tolkien (author of 'The Lord of the Rings'), these stories are enveloped within the magical fairy lore of Elphame - however the myths are based on no mere fantasy, but on an engaging and continual history of real characters and events.
Dealing with numerous aspects, from Sleeping Beauty to Robin Hood and Count Dracula, the book reveals how a prestigious sovereign heritage has been strategically suppressed by parliamentary and church dictate, facilitated by a fraudulent document which has controlled all monarchical and governmental practices in Western Europe for over 1200 years.
This document (known as the 'Donation of Constantine') was issued by the Vatican in the year 751 and is the authority by which the Pope is proclaimed to be the world's highest ranking person, thereby granting the Church seniority over all kings, queens and governments. It was the very document which gave the Church its self-appointed right to murder people in their thousands during the centuries of its brutal Inquisition.


Infinito - What kind of secret had you discovered when working on to thirty-three european royal families?
Sir Laurence - The thirty-three royal families are represented by an organization called the European Council of Princes - and it is this Council to which I am attached as the Presidential representative in Britain. The Council was founded just after World War II in 1946. Its objective was that the royal families of Europe (whether reigning or dispossessed) would band together to uphold their countries' various national written constitutions on behalf of the people. This was to ensure that extreme despotic factions (such as Hitler's German Reich) would never gain the upper hand again. Today, the Council exists as a constitutional advisory body within the European Union, and its current President (from 1992) is HRH Prince Michael of Albany (Scotland), Head of the Royal House of Stewart.
Some years ago, when studying and collating the genealogical records of some of these royal families, it became very clear to me that they emanated from a common base. This base, it transpired, was the Royal House of Judah - the family of King David, Solomon and Jesus. Even more surprisingly, certain descents (especially the early royalty of France) sprang from Jesus himself, and from his brothers - particularly from his brother James whose descendants became a reigning dynasty in Britain.
On then studying the early records of the Roman Church, it became apparent that the Emperors and Popes established a purposeful strategy to eliminate the Messianic family. The Church records state that the familymembers should be hunted down and put to the sword.


Infinito - If you please, may you give us those families' names? Are they "desposyni" families?
Sir Laurence -The four Gospels with which we are familiar today were selected by the Church bishops in AD 397 at the Council of Carthage from a choice of very many gospels. The limited selection was made on the basis that gospels which upheld
the status of women in religious or community society should be excluded. The Church implemented its own rule of celibacy for priests and women were condemned as being second-class subjects.
This meant that the marriage of Jesus and Mary Magdalene (as given in early texts) could be strategically ignored and, as a result, their descendants could also be ignored - leaving the Church to reign supreme with its male dominated structure. However, the descendant family existed and the Church called them the 'Desposyni'.
In France (or Gaul as it was then called), the early descendants of Jesus and Mary Magdalene were known as the Fisher Kings, or Priest-Kings. >From them, a descendant called Meroveus founded the Merovingian royal house who reigned in France from AD 446 until 751 when they were deposed by the Church under the terms of the forged 'Donation of Constantine'.
From the Merovingians many later European royal houses descended, the most senior of which was Scotland's Royal House of Stewart. They reigned from 1371 until 1688 when, finally, the Church managed at last to depose them in favour of installing its own puppet monarchy in Britain.
Today, it is practically impossible to identify true desposynic strains because intermarriage through the centuries has diluted the blood of all lines. However, the majority of existing royal houses in Europe can be traced back (via these intermarriages) to common ancestors of early times. Currently, the Council of Princes includes royal representatives from the houses of France, Scotland, Belgium, Prussia, Portugal, Netherlands, Romania, Spain, Sweden, Austria, Denmark, Italy and Yugoslavia - along with those of more specified regions such as Liège, Savoy, Tuscany, Orleans, and Imperial houses such as those of Hohenstaufen, Hohenzollern and Napoleon.


Infinito - Please, tell us something about what real means the word "desposyni", and how they cope with Rome in the past time?
Sir Laurence - The word 'Desposyni' is ancient Greek. It means 'Of the Master' and was a style reserved exclusively for those in the same family as Jesus - descending either from Jesus or from his brothers, James, Simon, Joses and Jude - or from his sisters Mary, Joanna and Sarah.
Eusebius, Bishop of Caesarea (AD 260-340), reported that, in the time of King Herod the Great, documents of genealogical record relating to the desposynic family of Jesus were officially burned at the King's instruction.
The 2nd-century Palestinian historian Hegesippus reported that, during the reign of the Roman Emperor Domitian (AD 81-96), the execution of all desposynic inheritors was ordered by Imperial decree. However, although many were seized, some were released and, Hegesippus stated, "They became leaders of the churches, both because they had borne testimony and because they were of the Lord's family".
The historian Julius Africanus of Edessa in Anatolia (AD 160-240 ) wrote that following the 1st-century burning of the genealogical registers of Jesus's family, "A few careful people had private records of their own, having either remembered the names or recovered them from copies, and took pride in preserving the memory of their aristocratic origin. These included the people known as the Desposyni because of their relationship to the Saviour's family".


Infinito - We know something about the organization named "Le Prieure de Sion", the guardian of Merovigean's bloodline. What do you think about that secret organization?
Sir Laurence - A good deal of nonsense has been written about the Prieuré de Sion (Priory of Sion) in recent times. There are certain conspiracy theorists and dubious societies who portray the Prieuré as a secret underground movement, whose aim is to restore the Merovingian monarchy in France - but this is completely untrue.
The original Order of Sion was founded in Jerusalem in 1099 by the Crusader King, Godefroi de Bouillon - a descendant of Merovingian royalty. It retained its individual identity as a branch of the Knights Templars so as to afford eligible Jews and Muslims an attachment to the Christian Order. The two Orders shared the same Grand Master until 1188, when the Order of Sion separated to became the Prieuré de Sion - or more correctly the Prieuré Notre Dame de Sion (the Priory of Our Lady of Sion). As an affiliated Priory, rather than an Order as such, the Prieuré de Sion was subsequently governed by Helmsmen (Nautonniers) rather than by Grand Masters.
By the early 1300s, the Knights Templars were firmly established in Scotland, where they became specifically attached to King Robert the Bruce and the emergent Royal House of Stewart. Meanwhile, the Prieuré Notre Dame de Sion was run by Templar attachés in France. They were supporters of the Merovingian Desposyni and had been responsible (along with their Cistercian allies) for building the great Gothic cathedrals of Notre Dame in places like Paris, Rouen and Chartres. In the 17th century the Prieuré Note Dame de Sion was renamed to become the Order of the Realm of Sion, and was affiliated to the Stewart Royal Society - a scientific academy in Britain. The exiled King James VII of Scots (James II of England) succeeded to the Grand Mastership in 1689, at which time the Order became exclusively Jacobite.
The Grand Mastership has been held ever since by King James's heirs, with various Regents deputizing after the Stewarts were exiled in 1688. The Earl Marischal of Scotland was Regent 1746-1758; The Stewart lawyer Richard Morgan was Regent 1801-1802, and the Marquis de Ruvigny was Regent 1920-1921. In practice, however, the Grand Mastership remained an hereditary office of the Counts of Albany in descent from Charles Edward Stuart (Bonnie Prince Charlie), and the present Prince Michael Stewart, 7th Count of Albany, is the Sovereign Grand Master of all Jacobite lodges extant in Europe.
What happened to confuse the issue was that, in 1956, a certain Pierre Plantard de Sinclair registered his his own mysterious 'society' in France, calling it the Prieuré de Sion. From that time, the purpose of this club has been something of an enigma - if indeed it has any purpose at all. However, some unsupported press articles in the 1970s linked the Sinclair Prieuré with the old Merovingian dynasty of France, and it has since been further linked by cult enthusiasts to the mystery of Rennes-le-Château. None of this, however, has anything to do with the original Prieuré de Sion of history, which remains a Templar-attached Jacobite scientific academy of the Royal House of Stewart.



Infinito - Sir Laurence, tell us something about the Celtic Church. Is it the same as The Nazareu Church or Jesus' Church?
Sir Laurence - The Celtic Church is quite distinct and separate from the prevailing Nazarene and Jesus churches, which are themselves of a modern Christian type. Although the Celtic Church has become Christianized to some degree over the centuries, it is in practice a pre-Christian establishment of the old Nazarene style. Jesus's brother James was the appointed Nazarene Bishop of Jerusalem - the movement to which Jesus himself belonged. Christianity was, of course, named in honour of Christ in later times - but Jesus was not a Christian, he was a Jew of the Nazarene school, which centred upon liberal Greek social attitudes, as against the strictly disciplined regime of the Hebrews.
The teachings of this Nazarene school, which became the Celtic Church, were first recorded in Celtic Britain and Ireland as early as AD 37 - just a few years after the crucifixion of Jesus. The original liturgy was largely Alexandrian, and Jesus's own teachings formed the basis of the faith, rather than the alternative doctrines of Peter and Paul from which orthodox Christianity derived. The Mosaic structure of the Old Testament was also inherent, and the Judaic marriage laws were observed, together with an adherence to the Sabbath and Passover along with celebrations of the age-old pagan creed of the Druids.
In an effort to destroy the Celtic establishment, the Roman Church declared Jesus's own Nazarene faith to be heretical at the 5th Ecumenical Council in AD 553. But notwithstanding this, famous Celtic monks such as St Columba, St Patrick and St David pursued their
course, while the Popes declared them to be wizards and heretics.
By the year 1000, a branch of the Celtic Church had become the royal ecclesiastical seat of the Kings of Scots - and has remained so ever since This branch is the Sacred Kindred of St Columba - an ecclesiastical seat (descended directly from the Irish family of St Columba) for which I am currently the Prior in Scotland.
Today, the Celtic Church conducts marriages and other ceremonies for those who prefer the dignity of a more naturally social environment, as against the dogmatic and patronizing rituals of the mainstream Christian Churches.



Infinito - Can you tel us what says the Celtic documents about the secret you have discovered? In fact: who was the historical Jesus? And Mary Magdalen? The teological people says they are so unknown?
Sir Laurence - It has often been said that there is little to be found concerning the life and mission of Jesus outside the Bible - but this is not the case. Jesus is apparent in both the Roman and Jewish 1st-century archives, and in numerous documents which were excluded from the New Testament. As stated so many times in the Bible, Jesus was of the dynastic line of King David - the Royal House of Judah. His father was Joseph-abHeli, described in the original Gospels as a "Master of the Craft' (Ho Tekton) - a description that was mistranslated in the 17th century to become 'carpenter'. Jesus's mother was Mary, daughter of the priest Joachim. She is originally described as an 'almah', which means no more than a 'young, unmarried woman' - but this description was mistranslated in all cases to become 'virgin'. The word 'Christ' comes from the Greek 'christos', meaning 'king'. Therefore, Jesus Christ means, quite simply, King Jesus.
The marriage of Jesus to Mary Magdalene in AD 30 is not in doubt . It is recorded in sovereign archives, referred to in Gospels that were strategically ignored and is, in fact, clearly stated in the Bible. The word 'Messiah' means 'Anointed One', and all anointed kings of the era were Messiahs. It comes from the old Mesopotamian practice of anointing kings with the fat of a large lizard called a Mus-hus, while in Egypt it was called the Messeh. The Hebrew verb 'to anoint' came from this, as a result of which the anointed kings and pharaohs were called Messiahs. The interesting fact about these kingly anointings is that they could only be performed by the Messianic bride - and so no man was ever a Messiah until the day of his marriage.
In Judaea (as described in the Old Testament's Song of Solomon) the oil used for this anointing was a Himalayan root extract called spikenard. The royal bride always anointed her husband's head and feet with the ointment while he sat at his ceremonial feast table. This is precisely the ritual which is described in the New Testament Gospels when Mary Magdalene anointed the head and feet of Jesus with spikenard while he sat at Simon's table in Bethany. Mary Magdalene was a princess in her own right. She was styled the 'Magdal-eder (the Watchtower of the flock) and was descended from the Hasmonaean priest-kings of Jerusalem, being a daughter of the influential Jairus Priest, Syro.
Royal marriages within the Essene-Nazarene community had very specific rules in those days and, as confirmed by Josephus in the 1st-century 'Antiquities of the Jews', weddings of the elite sect were never concluded ntil the bride was at least three months pregnant. Prior to that, there was only a ceremony of betrothal - and it was this which had cause the problem for Jesus's parents Joseph and Mary - for Jesus was born before the second part of their marriage had been concluded. As a result, Mary was still an 'almah' when Jesus was born, and this was very embarrassing for Joseph.


Infinito - In your "Lecture", you said that you have access to the templar documents brought out to Europe in 1128 A.D. too. Can you tel us what they say about the bloodline of the Saint Grail?
Sir Laurence - A primary objective of the Knights Templars in the early 1100s was to dig beneath the Temple of Jerusalem site in order to recover the treasures hidden there when the Romans sacked the city in AD 70. At that time, the Crusader King Baldwin was in residence as governor of Jerusalem, having regained the city from the Muslims, and his palace was located on the old Temple site. Therefore, by arrangement with the Templars' patron, St Bernard de Clairvaux, Baldwin agreed that the knights should dig beneath his residence to see what they could recover from a thousand years before.
The Templar find was incredible; there was enough gold and treasure to make them the richest Order in the world, and they subsequently became the financiers for every royal court in Europe. In addition they discovered a wealth of manuscripts and ancient documents which completely demolished their previously held belief in Roman Christianity. When they returned to France in 1128, their cavalcade was protected by a heavily armed cavalry guard - not to safeguard them from thieves and robbers but (as Bernard de Clairvaux wrote) to protect them from papal interference.
Within the hoard were original documents of the Gospel era which made it quite plain that the story of Christ's physical resurrection from the dead was a complete hoax perpetrated by the 4th-century bishops when they collated their four selected Gospels for the Church-approved New Testament. The fact of Jesus's trial and sentence was real enough - and indeed it was mentioned in the Roman imperial annals, but there was no mention of what happened at the crucifixion site. It transpired that the Gospel entries which detail the story of the crucifixion and resurrection had been spuriously added to the original texts.
Interestingly, among all the images of Christ portrayed by the original Christians in the catacombs of Rome, there is not one single image of the resurrection which became so important to the later-styled Christianity implemented by the Roman Church. Clearly, therefore, the resurrection was of no significance to the followers of the early religion and the Templars announced that the Vatican had committed a serious fraud in its interpretation of events. Jesus, according to the documentation, did not die on the cross, and was therefore not temporarily resurrected back to life as the bishops maintained. It was for this reason that, from 1128, the Knights Templars refused to acknowledge the upright Latin cross (crucifix) of the Church, and used instead their now famous eight point centred cross.


Infinito - Please, have you something more about the Holy Grail?
Sir Laurence - The definition, 'Holy Grail', first appeared in the Middle Ages as a literary concept, based on a series of scribal misinterpretations. It derived immediately as a translation from 'Saint Grail' and from the earlier forms 'San Graal' and 'Sangréal'. The ancient Order of the Sangréal (a dynastic Order of the Scots Royal House of Stewart) was directly allied to the Order of the Realm of Sion. The knights of both Orders were adherents of the Sangréal, which defines the Blood Royal (the Sang Réal) of Judah: the Bloodline of the Holy Grail.
Quite apart from its dynastic physical aspect, the Holy Grail also has a spiritual dimension. It has been symbolized by many things, but as a material item it is most commonly perceived as a Chalice, especially a chalice that contains, or once contained, the life-blood of Jesus. The Grail has additionally been portrayed as a Vine, weaving its way through the annals of time. The fruit of the vine is the grape - and from the grape comes wine. In this respect, the symbolic elements of the chalice and the vine coincide, for wine has long been equated with the blood of Jesus. Indeed, this tradition sits at the very heart of the Eucharist (Holy Communion) sacrament, and the perpetual blood of the Grail chalice represents no less than the enduring Messianic bloodline.
In esoteric lore, a chalice was the traditional symbol of a womb, and the Sangréal was said to be the Blood Royal carried by the uterine chalice of Mary Magdalene. It was she who inspired the 'Dompna' (Great Lady) of the Templars and Troubadours - and they called her the 'Grail of the World'.
In AD 44, while Jesus was travelling in the Mediterranean lands, his brother James and the Nazarenes were an increasing threat to Roman authority in Jerusalem. As a direct result, the Apostle James Boanerges was executed. His colleague Simon Zelotes took immediate retaliatory action and had King Herod-Agrippa poisoned, but then fled the country. This placed Mary Magdalene in a precarious situation, for the Romans knew that she was a friend of Simon Zelotes. She therefore appealed for protection from the new king, young Herod-Agrippa II, who duly arranged her safe passage to the Herodian estate in Gaul. And so, in the company of some friends and retainers, Mary Magdalene arrived in Provence (South of France) in AD 44, together with her son. He was the Grail child, Josephes, from whom the Fisher Kings of the Sangréal descended.


Infinito - The question you have frequently been asked: why is all this information coming to light at this particular time?
Sir Laurence - The fact is that the information has never been suppressed by those whom it concerns. It has been suppressed by outside power-seekers who have sought to serve their own interests, rather than serving the communities they are supposed to represent.
Today, however, we are in a new age of questing, as many people grow more disillusioned with the establishment dogmas that prevail. We live in an age of satellite communications, sound-barrier travel, computers and the Internet - so the world is effectively much smaller than before. In such an environment, news travels very quickly, and the truth is far more difficult to contain.
Also, the very fabric of the male-dominated Church and governmental structures are being questioned, and it is generally perceived that the old doctrines of spiritual control and territorial management are not working. More and more people are searching for the original, uncluttered roots of their faith, and for their purpose in society. They are seeking more effective forms of administration to combat the all too apparent slide into social and moral decline. They are, in fact, questing for the Holy Grail.
This quest for new enlightenment is considerably heightened by the new Millennium, and there is a widespread feeling that this should also present a new Renaissance - an era of rebirth wherein the precepts of the time-honoured Grail Code are acknowledged and practised: the precepts of Liberty, Fraternity and Equality.


Infinito - Why do you said that the Count of Albany HRH-Prime Michael Stewart is the senior legitimate of the Bloodline of the Saint Grail?
Sir Laurence - As previously mentioned, Scotland's Royal House of Stewart emerged as one of the senior houses of the Messianic bloodline - and they were especially significant because they had a dual Grail heritage. They had a direct male-line descent (through the ancient kings of the Britons) from Jesus's brother James, whose descendants established many kingdoms in the Celtic realms. However, they also had a female-line inheritance from the Burgundian Queens of Avallon, known as the House del Acqs (House of the Waters) in a descent from Mary Magdalene and Jesus.
Subsequent to her sea voyage to Provence, Mary Magdalene was known to many as 'la Dompna del Acquae' (the Great Lady of the Waters), as a result of which a branch of her family continued to use the 'del Acqs' name - Queen Viviane II del Acqs, for example - the designated Lady of the Lake and mother of Lancelot del Acqs, so famed in Arthurian romance.
The House of Stewart reigned in Scotland from 1371 and later, from 1603, also became Kings of England - reigning as Britain's Royal House of Stuart (with their name spelling altered by way of a French corruption since there was no 'w' in the French alphabet). They were at the time also nominal Kings of France in liaison with the House de Bourbon. In succession to Queen Elizabeth I Tudor, the Stuarts gained the English throne because Elizabeth had no heir and King James was her closest living relative. However, the Anglican Church and the English Parliament were not happy about having a Scottish monarchy in England and so various attempts were made to terminate the line. Mary Stuart, Queen of Scots, had been executed prior to Queen Elizabeth's death, and then in 1649 the clerics and politicians had King Charles I Stuart executed and his son exiled. However, his son returned in 1660 to reign as King Charles II, passing his crown to his brother, James II, upon his death in 1685. Only three years later King James II was deposed and sent into exile - from which moment the Jacobite movement was born (the name James is the same as Jacob).
The Stuarts continued to prevail in Europe, with their palace at St Germain-en-Laye, near Paris. In 1745 James's grandson Charles Edward Stuart, 1st Count of Albany, led the Jacobite attempt to regain his family entitlement - only to be defeated at the battle of Culloden. Subsequently, his line of descendants continued and the present Head of the Royal House of Stewart is HRH Prince Michael of Albany, 7th Count of Albany, President of the European Council of Princes.


Infinito - What do the scholars think about all that stuff? And the priests?
Sir Laurence - Surprising as it might seem, I have never - at any time in the four years since 'Bloodline of the Holy Grail' was first published - received any criticism whatever from any academic, theological or clerical branch of the Church. I have been on radio and television with bishops, priests, monks and clerics of all description - and they have all been very polite.
The fact is that it is difficult for them to challenge my findings since the majority of documentation which I use to emphasize the points which I raise are the Church's own documents - those such as the 'Apostolic Constitutions', and quite often the Bible itself.
It is not generally understood that the majority of Christians gain most of their knowledge from schoolrooms, pulpits and picture books - while paying little attention to the New Testament itself. On this basis, it has long been the case that religious teaching is based upon a series of doctrines invented by the Church, but which do not actually appear in the Bible. The Nativity story is a good example. Christians worldwide celebrate an annual event based upon the teaching that Jesus was born in a stable - but there is no stable mentioned in any original Gospel, neither is the word 'stable' mentioned even in the authorized Gospels of today.
I might therefore, be perceived as a nuisance to the clerics and their customary methods of teaching - but my case is proven time after time by reference to documents of original record, from which there is no escape and, therefore, no argument.
The Christian position was put no better than on one occasion when I was in a TV debate with a Dominican friar. The Dominicans led the main thrust of the historical Inquisition against heretics, and I presupposed that I would be given a hard time by this man. What transpired, however, was that when the TV host endeavoured to set him against me, the good friar answered her with the following words: " Laurence Gardner comes to this subject as a matter of history and documented record, whereas I and the Church approach the subject as a matter of Faith. The two approaches cannot be debated against each other because they are both equally valid".

Short Biog:
Sir Laurence Gardner is an internationally known sovereign genealogist and historical lecturer. Distinguished as the Chevalier Labhràn de St. Germain, he is Presidential Attaché to the European Council of Princes, a constitutional advisory body established in 1946. He is also Prior of the Sacred Kindred of St. Columba, a Knight Templar of St. Anthony, a Fellow of the Society of Antiquaries of Scotland and Attaché to the Grand Protectorate of the Imperial Dragon Court of Hungary, 1408. Formally attached to the Noble Order of the Guard of St Germain, founded by King James VII of Scots in 1692 and ratified by King Louis XIV of France, he is the appointed Jacobite Historiographer Royal.

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Translated by: MARCUS SARMENTO

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